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May 26th, 2006
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Joseph Stalin and all that
Dear suejc3dogs,

I have not forgotten my promise to tell you of what's wrong in the conventional view of Stalin, and I am ashamed it's taken so long just to get started. I cannot afford to write much (time is limited), but to deal with the subject in a few words is extremely difficult.

However, let me try. These will be pretty common considerations, but, I hope, they will be mental tools you will be able to apply yourself.

The main problem is: the same word can have different meanings, and different words can mean the same.

For example, killing. This word can be applied to self-defence, executing a serial murderer, or a murder for profit. From the other hand, some killings, say, in a war, are called not killings but a fight for freedom.

Therefore, a killing itself is neither evil nor good. You must consider the context.

All the mass deception about the Stalin's rule is based on distortion or silencing the context, to say nothing of horrible exaggerations. (You know now very well that even American presidents can be pathetic liars.)

You don't mind people kill each other in wars, defending themselves. So Russia and Stalin, in particular, were at war. Not only in 1941-1945 during the German invasion, but well before this period. And the life and death of the whole country was at stake: during both the German aggression and before it.

Don't let spin doctors hypnotize you with common words! Better still, don't try to judge things you know not much about.

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From:(Anonymous)
Date:May 26th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
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Speak white!
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From:suejc3dogs
Date:May 26th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
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Show your face!
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From:stalinist
Date:May 26th, 2006 08:21 pm (UTC)

Now I see your picture

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You hinted in your car post of a Hawaiian/Mexican/Samoa origin, so what is it?

I am asking you because I felt your mentality was not quite Anglo-Saxon (the latter I hate: it is racist and arrogant). So I am a bit disappointed, because I hoped there exist reasonable WASPs, but, from the other hand, I am glad we can probably understand each other easier.

Having said that, I should mention I assume your mentality is somewhat derived from the culture of your ancestors; am I correct?
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From:suejc3dogs
Date:May 26th, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC)

Re: Now I see your picture

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My ideology is learned from my parents, my education, the neighborhood in which I grew up and my experience.

My racial/genetic heritage is very mixed - African/American, so I don't know which tribes, and during slavery white blood was injected into the mix in many ways and one never knows. And my mother was of Welsh, English, Scottish and I don't know what else, possibly German also, but I'm not sure. She rejected the teachings of her parents and her community and left at 17, eventually married my dad, but came back to live among her people at around 50 and I now live around them, but don't accept their teachings either.

I don't accept that mentality is inherited. I am mistaken for Hawaiian, Samoan, Mexican when I am with my Mexican husband, Puerto Rican - My brother has been mistaken for Iranian and nearly run down by passing automobiles. These are other reasons why I don't feel a "part of" this "wonderful" nation. I am an outsider and prefer to stay that way. I will be an outsider everywhere, apparently, not necessarily an unfriendly one, until the day I die, I am afraid. If you study my journal you find a lot more reasons why this is so.
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From:stalinist
Date:May 26th, 2006 09:52 pm (UTC)

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I don't accept that mentality is inherited.

Neither do I, at least genetically. The only possibility left is this: the menality is formed through the communications with the family members, and later through mass-media -- brain-washing machine (Oh, I like this term! © neostalinist 2006).

So the family is important, and the previous generation family, and so on. The mentality is not genetic, but it is somewhat inherited culturally.

However, if your ancestors apparently lived in the US for a long time, there is no reason to consider you any way distinguishable from the other Americans.

Actually, I lived in the US (Southern California) for 3 years, and, being Russian and with a limited English and accent, I would not complain on unfriendly reactions of Americans; in contrary, I was quite happy personally there.

But I can imagine it may be uncomfortable to feel to be outsider in the motherland.
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From:suejc3dogs
Date:May 26th, 2006 11:33 pm (UTC)

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I prefer feeling like an outsider, (especially seeing how our majority is behaving lately) to participating with our majority. Sometimes it's lonely, but the majority in any group usually behaves as sheep.
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From:stalinist
Date:May 26th, 2006 11:51 pm (UTC)

Same to me!

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From:suejc3dogs
Date:May 27th, 2006 12:27 am (UTC)

Re: Same to me!

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Жжошь!!
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From:stalinist
Date:May 27th, 2006 12:37 am (UTC)

It's funny!

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See you -- have to retire now.
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From:stalinist
Date:May 26th, 2006 08:14 pm (UTC)

I prefer red

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Do you know what the red symbolizes? There exists something in this damned world being worth more than the expensive toys the West has got obsessed with: there are things worth shedding blood -- yours and enemy's.
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From:suejc3dogs
Date:May 26th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
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This is fine, but very non-specific. Will there be more specific information? I have no real knowledge at all of Russia before, during or after WWII, because I paid little or no attention to history classes in school, knowing them to be almost pure propoganda. The little I know is purely non-specific. So I was expecting some basic information.
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From:stalinist
Date:May 26th, 2006 07:54 pm (UTC)

You were right to expect more

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And this was my original intention -- to give you the whole picture.

But imagine a task to explain somebody not well-informed, say, the American Revolution or the Civil War; you will soon realize that some huge material must be lifted. In case of Stalin, you should go back to Christianity, Marxism, the Russian society, Russian culture, Russian Revolution, etc.

The best solution would be to refer you to good books. Unfortunately, it is not likely there exist those in English not being pure propaganda. The problem is: WWII was not a war between Germany and Russia -- it was war waged by Britain with help of the US against the USSR using Germany as a means -- as a mad attacking dog. Too bad, the dog turned against his masters.

In other words, Russia has always been and will always be considered as an enemy in the Anglo-Saxon world, and she will always be painted in black.

Actually, there is not so many objective books about Stalin even in Russian.

Stalin was great, and the country he built was incredibly great; for this reason no establishment will dare publish the truth about him: nobody can come close in comparison to this political giant, so everybody would try to avoid unfavourable comparison.

So let him rest in peace. It is an interesting matter, but only historically. It is interesting for me, because I believe some ways to save Russia for her current dire straits can be extracted from his legacy, but it will hardly be of much interest to you.

At least, you must have received enough knowledge and experience not to believe to anybody -- me included. Don't believe he was a monster, and don't believe he was a saviour; rest assured there is a very complex subject requiring quite a large amount of knowledge and exploration.
From:ni_how_ma
Date:May 27th, 2006 01:14 pm (UTC)

Re: You were right to expect more

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Easy Big Fella!
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From:stalinist
Date:May 28th, 2006 03:56 pm (UTC)

Here are some details coming!

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From:ekloedov
Date:May 28th, 2006 02:06 pm (UTC)

my friend Kent reply with this..

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from Kent...This guy may take all the time in the world to explain why Stalin killed millions of his fellow Russians, many being his closest comrades, and still, I may not "get it".

Killing men who worked in the snow digging the Stalin canal by hand, who died of starvation and exposure to the weather was bad. Killing millions in Siberian mines was bad. Starving millions of Kulak farmers to death along and their entire families was bad. Was he at war with farmers, miners and engineers? What about his NEW ECONOMIC POLICY where he pardoned millions of farmers for their "profiteering" encouraging them to use the free market to rebuild farm produciton, then turning on them later in a purge?

What about taking all the Soviet Army soldiers who were repatriated from Nazi prison camps and shipping them off to Siberia to die? Killing returning soldiers who invaded Germany in the last months of the war? Inviting Russians who had fled the Bolshevics in the 1930's to come home to Russia to be repatriated; then rounding them up and killing them? Purging the Army of most of the best Russian army officers and killing them? Not to mention the Ribbontrop Pact where he partnered up with Hitler to invade Poland where he ordered the execution of the entire Polish officer corps in Katyn Wood by firing squad? From 1923 until 1953, Stalin killed as many Russians as the Nazis did or more. I forgot his promise to support the Loyalists who fought Franco in Spain, then stole all the money what came pouring in from abroad, instead of sending guns and ammunition as promised. Did I mention his support then betrayal of the Jews who wanted to settle in Isreal after the war? Whom did this man not betray or murder??? He destrioyed churches and synagogues. He even treated his own family like shit.

By my calculation, if there had been four Stalins, all with the same appetite for killing his fellow Russians, one right after another, there would not be one Russian alive today. Was he misunderstood? You bet. He was misunderstood by everyone who ever crossed his path and turned their backs on him. For one brief moment, as an NKVD bullet hit them behind their ear, they may have understood him. Even widows and orphans of his victums didn't really get what a monster the man was. No one until that time, could wrap their mind around the enormity of his maniacal killing spree.

Even today, 53 years after Stalin's death, I find Russians abnormally suspicious and closed to outsiders. What other nation has nurtured a thugocracy like modern Russia has? And yet, Russians are among the most productive, decent, loyal, educated people on earth, once they leave their own country and lose their fear of the state or some government sanctioned gang of thugs. .

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From:stalinist
Date:May 28th, 2006 03:38 pm (UTC)

Typical Jewish propaganda crap

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Why do the Jews hate Stalin the most? Because in 1917-1922, after the Russian revolution, they were heavily represented in the Bolshevik dictatorship institutions, especially in the repression apparatus (the All-Russian Emergency Commission). Being there, they murdered millions of Russians and destroyed most of the Russian culture artefacts: churches, historical places etc. Eventually Stalin managed to remove them from the top and punish accordingly in 1930s.

Now think of who owns the world's Brain-Washing Machine -- it's a four-letter word starting with 'J'.

There are several types of lies, for example,

(i) selective reporting, i.e. telling this fact, while not telling that one; sometimes the whole historical context is omitted;

(ii) exaggeration, inflating numbers, often by orders of magnitude;

(iii) fabrication of nonexistent "facts", etc.

All of them have been extensively used in the Stalin black PR.

For instance, you talk about millions and millions and millions. It's a total bullshit:

firstly, during Stalin's era less than one million people were executed, and now it is commonly accepted by any serious researcher;

and, secondly, at any given time the population of the Soviet prison camps did not exceed 2 millions; seems a lot, doesn't it? But it is less, than the current US prison population!

Was he at war with farmers, miners and engineers?

He was at war with enemies of the state, and, apparently, to our woes, he destroyed them not completely, since they and their children have almost finished now murdering Russia and the Russian people, cannibalizing their remains.

Not to mention the Ribbontrop Pact where he partnered up with Hitler to invade Poland

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the greatest achievement of Stalin's diplomacy! The Nazi Germany -- the mad god nurtured by the British to destroy Russia -- was reaimed back at their devilish masters!

Besides, Poland was doomed to be occupied -- either by the Germans, or by the Russians. Don't you think the Russians were much more preferrable as a related kind people?

Think of your Jewish brethren: how many of them were repressed by the Germans? The Russians were their only hope and only saviours.

where he ordered the execution of the entire Polish officer corps in Katyn Wood by firing squad?

First, they were probably executed by the German occupiers. But, even if they were executed by the Russians, don't forget that the Polish government and the Polish army had tightly cooperated with the Nazis up to the beginning of WWII; Poland in the most disgusting way annexed a part of Chechoslovakia and intensively negotiated with Hitler plans to annex Ukraine.

By my calculation, if there had been four Stalins,

Yeah, right, you are such an academic...

What other nation has nurtured a thugocracy like modern Russia has?

It's amazing: you blame Stalin for the fact that an anti-Stalin cabal is torturing Russia!
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From:stalinist
Date:May 28th, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)

Erratum

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The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the greatest achievement of Stalin's diplomacy! The Nazi Germany -- the mad dog nurtured by the British to destroy Russia -- was reaimed back at their devilish masters!
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From:ekloedov
Date:May 30th, 2006 03:25 pm (UTC)

Joseph Stalin - from KENT

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Dear Neo Stalinist.

I want to prefice my remarks by saying, Russians I know are some of the smartest, hard working, honest and productive people I know. Excellent by any measure. The things I am about to tell you are about quirks in Russians, they are about quirks in your history that you and the prior three generations of Russians had little or no control over and should face openly and honestly. Certainly the United States has made many mistakes and we can discuss them in future discussions if you like.

The Communist take over from the Czar was a reaction to an injustice and most likely would have occurred with or without Karl Marx. Much of what came later for the following sixty years was due to a series of tragic events beyound the average Russian's control. Many of us recognize the invaluable sacrifice that the Rurssian people made to save Western Civilization from Nazi Germany. To the extant that we have had any differences with Russia, it has been with the voracious nature of Communism and not the Russian people.

For in many cases, Russians are us and we are former Russians. One that comes to mind is a Georgian imigrant named John M. Shalikashvili who still has a strong Georgian accent even today. He was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Supreme Commander of all armed forces of the United States from 1993-97. He immigrated to the United States from Georgia when he was a teen ager. . Would the Leaders in the Kremlin give an immigrant American the top job as overall commander of their entire armed forces? Another man who comes to mind is General Eric Ken Shinseki (born November 28, 1942) served as the 34th Chief of Staff of the United States Army (1999 - 2003). Can you imagine the Kremlin giving an ethnic German the job of commander of the entire Russian Army? This is what I mean when I say we are them and they are us.
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From:stalinist
Date:May 30th, 2006 03:34 pm (UTC)

OK, I am flattered

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Russians I know are some of the ...st -- Tell it to my boss, please!

But what about my statement you've replied to -- about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

Is it any worse than the Munich Chamberlain-Hitler-Daladier agreement of 1938?
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